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Av Christian Andersson - Lördag den 23 maj 2020 kl. 12.19
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Det blir så många förvecklingar och kopplingar hit och dit. Det finns en hel följetong på Aftonbladet som jag inte vet var den passar in. Så den sparar jag så länge. Det är trist att tidningsabonnemanget upphör vid månadsskiftet. Det är ju en oändlig brunn att ösa ur.
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Av Christian Andersson - Tisdag den 09 juni 2020 kl. 12.20
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1626 September 2. The Swedish Treasury authorized a payment to one "Gabrielska", and on the next day the payment was made to Christoff Springer for the account of "Anna Marie Geborne Kosselin". There is no power of attorney from her to Springer in the record and no explanation of the relationship between Gabrielska and Springer. Possibly her name was Anna Maria and she was born at Kosel or Gosel, a town on the River Oder near Breslau in East Germany. This is the earliest reference to Christopher in Sweden and, with the following references to his life in Stockholm, makes ft clear that Christopher was not (as alleged in M.C. Springer's book) the son of Christoph Christlief Christian Springer of Lamstedt, Hanover, who lived in Lamstedt and in Berlin and is said to have come to Sweden in 1648. Cf Also "The Springer's of Christiana and Related Families", William Hamilton Hannum, Ohio Genealogical Quarterly, January 1944.
1630 August 28. Christopher acknowledged payment of salary to him as a musician. This date confirms his widow's statement in 1669 that he had, at the time of his death in that year, served the government for forty years.
1632 November and 1633 April. He is again found on the salary list as a musician.
1633 June 25. He received a salary for service in the secretariat of the treasury office. Evidently he had changed jobs, giving up his career in music.
1633 December 1. He married Karin Larsdotter. Börje Pedersson, the mayor of Stockholm, was present at the wedding.
1638 May 19. Christopher translated into Swedish a document written in Dutch. Perhaps he came from the Springer family found in Holland, or otherwise knew Dutch, or possibly he just used his knowledge of German which is similar to Dutch.
1637 January 23. He was granted registration of a property opposite the Sancta Klara Church, called Gropgarden, purchased from the minister of the church Peder Erici Roslagio. Examination of the latter's biography did not show any relationship between the two.
1637 March 23. Christopher completed the purchase.
1641 November 15. Christopher was granted a property near this purchase, in compensation for property taken by the town for street purposes.
1641 November 15 and 1642 January 1. He was appointed to a clerkship in the treasury.
1645 July 11. Christopher's first wife, Karin Larsdotter had died and the inventory of her estate was filed. It showed that she left children, Börje, Lars, Annika, Helena, Maria and Brita. According to Christopher's inventory filed in 1657 all of these children had died by then except Lars (Lorentz). The latter became a commissary of the Svea circuit court of appeal and died in 1690, being buried June 24 at the Sancta Clara Church. (It is clear that he could not have emigrated to America, settling in Rhode Island, as sometimes said.) He married first Margareta Neuman who died 2 November 1682 at Nibble and was buried at Sancta Clara Church and second, Maria Mörling, born 2 August 1662 died 1714 buried at Sancta Clara Church.
1645. Christopher married for the second time. The name of his second wife is not known. They had a daughter, Kristina, who married commissary Johan Jacobson Eneman (son of Jacob Olofsson, organist) buried 23 January 1698 at Sancta Clara Church, inventory 5 July 1702. Kristina and Johan were living in Riga (now Latvia, but then under Swedish control) in 1668.
1645 August 6. Christopher was granted a "wedding relief" or financial aid on the occasion of his marriage.
1646 February 6. He was a district judge at Närdinghundra härad.
1647 May 7. He was granted a homestead at Vik or Wijk (Hammarby parish, Uppland) on the occasion of his marriage.
1651 July 15. He was referendary (an official charged with investigative or advisory duties) of the Land Revenue Office.
1653 January 30. He was granted a homestead on Nolby (Torso parish, Västergötland).
1653. He was granted a homestead on Nibble (Hammarby parish, Uppland).
1653 January 31. He purchased from the town of Stockholm a garden plot at the "Monk's camp", now the district of Kungsholmen.
1653. He was drinking at a party with officers of the Treasury.
1654 October 15. He married Beata Baltzardotter Salina. they had children:
Elisabet, born 1655, married Fredrik Mundt von Gutits;
Carl (Charles) born 1658, the subject of this article;
Kristoffer, born 1661, probably attended Uppsala University, and is said to have moved to Germany;
Baltzar, born 1664, employed in the service of the queen dowager Hedvig Eleonora and by her appointed mayor at Eskilstuna and Torskaller, married 23 June 1689 at Mariefred to Elsa Kyllman (Kilman) and died 1710;
Jakob, born 1668, said to have been a naval officer, and in 1695 carried on a lawsuit at Mariefred concerning property left by his mother.
1665 June 22. Christopher was inspector at the Cameral Board.
1668. He was listed among the employees of the Treasury.
1669. Christopher died, and a funeral pall was rented for his funeral at Sancta Clara Church. On April 23, his successor¨was appointed. His widow Beata asked for a year of grace, in continuing his salary, citing his five small children and his forty years of service; the government granted this request on July 13 and paid 800 silver daler on July 22. On December 2 Christopher's son Lorentz (by the first marriage ) presented his stepmother's letter dated November 30 as to Lorentz's purchase of the shares of herself and her five children in the garden at Monk's camp, and on December 4 the town approved the purchase.
1672. One of Christopher's small girls was buried at Sancta Clara Church.
1683. Lorentz Springer's first wife, Margareta Neuman died. Her will is missing from the record office.
1686. Beata petitioned, saying that she had bought cattle, and asking a homestead of Asby in the parish of Taringe in order to feed them. Her petition was granted.
1687. Beata asked that her right to the homestead, free of tax, be valid for life. Her request was granted.
1690. Lorentz Springer died. His will is missing from the record office. It has been said in this country (U.S.A.) that Charles Springer's brother Lorentz or Lawrence came to Rhode Island, founded a family there, died in 1701 and was buriedthere, Cf. Rev. Isaac E. Springer The Springer Genealogy, Detroit, Michigan 1909 and Stow Collection 16:10 in library of Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania. While there is a clear record of Lawrence Springer there, the earliest entries refer to him as "Lawrance Springhast", and the later Springer references probably simply represent an Anglicization of Springhast. In any event, it is completely clear that Charles' brother Lorentz lived and died in Stockholm and did not found a Springer family in Rhode Island.
1693. Beata, widow of Christopher and mother of Charles, died. Son Jacob brought some unexplained action at law concerning her estate in the court at Mariefred.
1698 July 5. King Carl XII wrote the Governor General of Stockholm ordering him to investigate Charles Springer's inheritance. Charles had written to Sweden to inquire about this. July 16 the Governor General ordered the Mayor and his aldermen to make the investigation.
The fact that the King took a personal interest in die matter attests to the fact that Charles' contributions to the Swedish colony on the Delaware were known at Court and appreciated.
1711. Lorentz Springer's widow owned and occupied the property opposite the church.
1714. Lorentz's second wife died. Her will is missing from the record office.
1729 April 3. The Town Engineer filed a map of the Springer property opposite the church.
Christopher's estate was subject to a complex division as, under then Swedish Law, the children of each marriage had certain rights. Christopher had made a declaration 3 January 1665 that in case of his death his wife should have for life the Wijk farm in Uppland. He made his will 1 March 1668, and was dead by April 1669 when a successor was appointed for the office he had held. The will provided that Beata should enjoy the Stockholm house, the garden and the farms so long as she remained unmarried, and noted that she is especially mentioned in two deeds of gift, and that she had purchased some of the household goods out of her own means; she should keep a gold chain and two bracelets; Elisabet should have her mother's gold chain, received from her late parents; and requests Lorentz to support the will. An agreement was made as to the division of the estate, Lorentz approving the provisions for the widow, but reserving his and Elisabet's rights, and also approving dower for Elisabet and for Beata's eldest daughter at home. The estate included gold jewelry, silver coins, gilded bowls and cups, silver spoons, other metals, books and household material. The accounting was agreed and cleared 12 June 1669.
Källa: Baldwin Maull - Charles Springer's Family in Swedish History [mina understrykningar]
https://www.worldcat.org/title/charles-springers-family-in-swedish-history/oclc/4630933
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Av Christian Andersson - Tisdag den 12 januari 2021 kl. 16.18
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Jag har kommit i kontakt med en forskare som har en ana som eventuellt skulle kunna härstamma från Lorentz Springer. Den Lorentz som var halvbror till Carl/Charles Springer som hamnade i Delaware (före dennes tid Nya Sverige).
Kan man med hjälp av dna-analys fastslå att Lorenz Springer är en gemensam ana? Efter vad jag har förstått måste man ha två ben att stå på. Kan man göra varsitt dna-prov och göra en matchning utan att ställa ut sitt dna till allmän beskådan och förfogande.
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Av Christian Andersson - Måndag den 06 mars 2023 kl. 18.20
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Sidor kommer och går men det som skrivits består.
Jag hittade det här på Family Search:
Per Erik Andersson (1918-2003) är min far och Per Edvard Andersson (1880-1950) är min farfar. Så långt är det rätt. Men Håkan Andersson (1842-1929) är inte min farfars far. Och Gertrud Dorothea Maria Jönasdotter (1840-1886) är inte min farfars mor.
Som källor anges diverse husförhörslängder. Uppgiftslämnare är 'Scott Moscrip' och 'Wayne A Ross'. Personerna är okända för mig och de ingår definitivt inte i den närmsta släkten.
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Av Christian Andersson - Måndag den 30 september 2024 kl. 13.25
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<----- dubblerat inlägg ----->
(Ändrat av kontoinnehavaren den 30 september 2024 kl. 21.21.)
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Av Christian Andersson - Lördag den 06 juni 2026 kl. 16.14
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Tillfällighetsfynd:
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THE FABULOUS SPRINGER ESTATE
GEORGE W. PONTON CLAIMS TO BE THE VIC-
TIM OF CONSPIRACY
Charles W. Van Dorn, a real estate broker
of No. 7 Warren-street, obtained a warrant on
Nov. 9 for the arrest of George W. Ponton, alias
George E. Evans, on a charge of grand larceny.
Ponton was arrested in London, Ontario, and
brought to New-York, and wa arraigned yester-
day in Tombs Police Court before Justice
Smith. Van Dorn made affidavit that in
October, 1882, he became acquainted with
Charles H. Bierce, through William F. Og-
den, whom he had known a number of
years. Bierce represented to him that Carl
Christopher Springer did many years ago leav-
ing a large estate consisting of lands in the city of
Wilmington, Del., and valued at over $100,000,000.
Bierce said that his mother Henrietta Schroeder,
was entitled to one-twenty-seventh part of the
estate, and that she had assigned one-half of her
interest to Bierce. In February, 1883, Bierce
represented that the heirs of the estate, through
Edward P. Springer, of Providence, R. I., had
agreed to release their claim to the city of Wil-
mington, and that the authorities of the city had
agreed to pay the heirs the sum of $20,000,000. for
the estate, and thet he (Bierce) was entitled to one-
half of one twenty-seventh part of this sum. Bierce
also displayed a circular purporting to be signed
by E. P. Springer, which stated that the city of
Wilmington would pay the heirs the sum of $20,-
000,000. He also presented to the deponent that
George W. Ponton was the agent of E. P. Springer,
and had the entire charge of the settlement of the es-
tate, that he was expected in this City in a few
days, and that Ponton would give him a certificate
entitling him one-half of one twenty-seventh
part of the estate. On April 10, 1883, the deponent
was introduced to Ponton by Bierce, and Ponton
said he was the agent of E. P. Springer, and that he
had charge of the settlement of the estate; that
the city of Wilmington would pay a portion of
the $20,000,000 on May 10; that any money which
the deponent would let Bierce have would be re-
paid him on that date, when Bierce would receive
$90,000 as his share of the estate.
Relying on the statements of Bierce and Pon-
ton, Van Dorn, on April 13, gave Bierce $200,
which the latter agreed to repay on May 10, when
he got his $90,000. Van Dorn swore that each of
the representations of Bierce and Ponton was
false. The deponent was informed by the Treas-
urer of the city of Wilmington that no compro-
mise or settlement had ever been made with the
heirs of Carl Christopher Springer, and that the
authorities of the city had never agreed to pay
said heirs, or any other person, the sum of $20,-
000,000, or any other sum for the estate. The de-
ponent was also informed by E. P. Springer that
Henrietta Schroeder, the mother of Bierce, is not
an heir of C. C. Springer; that Bierce has no right,
claim, or interest in the estate; that the circular
mentioned was not signed or issued by him. (E. P.
Springer,) and thet George W. Ponton is not,
and never was, his clerk or agent, or had
any authority in or about the estate
or in the settlement thereof. At the preliminary
examination yesterday before Justice Smith,
Ponton gave his age as 48. He said that he was a native
of Ireland and his residence was in Ontario, Can-
ada. He waived examination and was held in $1,000
on a charge of grand larency. Ponton has a wife
and four children. He says he was simply a tool
in the hands of Bierce, in whose employ he was
in London, Ontario, where he knew him as a real
estate dealer under the name of Edward Emer-
son. He said he was under the influence of drugs
when he made the representations mentioned to
Van Dorn. Bierce was arrested on Sept. 19. and
was indicated for grand larency in the second de-
gree and lodged in the Tombs. He is 28 years
old, married, and his home is in Chicago. He
claims to be the victim of a conspiracy, and that
he is one of the heirs who have been
assessed to prosecute the estate.He pro-
fesses to be able to prove that the city of
Wlimington has paid a certain sum to stop pro-
ceedings, and that he was yesterday offered $20,-
000 to give up certain papers in his possession.
Another outcome of the conspiracy he claimed,
was to induce his wife to get a divorce from him.
The New York Times published December 23, 1883
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Se vidare: SPRINGER HOAX
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Av Christian Andersson - Söndag den 07 juni 2026 kl. 09.55
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Utdrag ur
A GENEALOGICAL TABLE AND HISTORY OF THE SPRINGER FAMILY IN EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA FOR EIGHT CENTURIES FROM THE EARLIEST GERMAN PRINCES; ORIGIN OF THE NAME. ETC. BY M.C. SPRINGER. (1881)
sidorna 138-144
104. CHRISTOPH CHRISTLIEB CHRISTIAN SPRINGER (301), son of Johan Christian Jacob (294), was one of the leading merchants of Lamstedt, in the Royal Province of Hanover, a man of good education for the times, quite wealth), and was noted as being a good-hearted, kind man. His purse was open to the poor -- always contributing to their wants. He filled a high position in society, always using his influence in favor of institutions of learning and places of higher moral culture. In 1558, he was married to Elsie Springer nee Wehrhahn. Their children were:
303. An infant, not named, b. 1590, at Lamstedt, d. 1590.
[105] 304. Christopher, b. 1592, at Lamstedt.
305. Maria Emilia Alma, b. 1594, m. 1614.
306. Maria Amanda, b. 1596, d. 1635, in Sweden.
307. Louis Ferdinand, b. 1598, d. in 1675, in Sweden.
308. Ambrosius Hugo, b. 1600, d. 1666, in Vienna, Austria. He was an artist of considerable note.
309. Arndt Oscar, b.l603, d. 1689, in Sweden.
310. Eriek Franz Daniel, b. 1606, d. 1687 in Sweden.
311. Johan Alfonso, b. 1609, d. 1698, in Sweden.
312. Paul Virgil, b. 1611, d. 1692, in Sweden; merchant.
313. Richard Fire Caesar, b. 1613, d. 1697, in Berlin.
314. Emil Winfried Gottholt, b. 1615, d. 1688. in London.
315. Beata Amalia Thekla Clara, b. 1618, d. 1671, in Bremen.
Christoph Christlieb Christian Springer died 1630, at Lamstedt, aged 80 years. His son Christopher, after the treaty of "Westphalia, in 1648, removed to Stockholm, Sweden, where most of his brothers and sisters soon followed him.
105. CHRISTOPHER SPRINGER (304), son of Christoph Christlieb Christian (301), was b. at Lamstedt, in the Eoyal Province of Hanover, A.D. 1592. He studied jurisprudence at Wisschaften, and figured conspicuously as a Protestant at the close of the thirty-years war, which devasted Germany and was concluded on the 24th of October, 1648, by the signing of the treaty at Westphalia. (The majority of the family of which Christopher was a member, took an active part on the side of the Protestants and in favor of peace.) France and Sweden having taken part in the war demanded indemnity for the assistance they had given. France, after the most arrogant demands, finally contented itself with Upper and Lower Alsace, hitherto Austrian. The free cities of this region, the chief of which was Strasburg, and some abbeys, were not ceded with it, but France already had, by imperial grant, the local government of ten German cities there.
Sweden demanded all Pomerania, but since, Brandenburg certainly had the best claim to this country, now without a duke, and since Frederick William,"the Great Elector", who reigned there from 1640, was the man to assert his rights, Sweden gave up Pomerania east of the Oder, receiving the part west of that river, with the Island of Rugen, Usedom, Wollin and Stettin, important both as a fortress and a trading city. As a substitute for the part of Pomerania given up, it obtained Wismar and the endowment lands of Bremen and Verden, but without the city of Bremen, which was declared a city of the Empire. But, in distinction from France, Sweden in receiving these lands did not take them out of the Empire, but as their representative entered the imperial union. Sweden had control of the mouths of the great German rivers, the Oder, Elbe, and Weser. Besides, five millions of dollars were paid to the Swedish gevernment as an indemnity. Christopher being a resident of Wismar, at the time of the treaty of Westphalia, consequently became a subject of the Queen of Sweden, being an inhabitant of the territory ceded to Sweden. In 1649 he removed from Wismar to Berlin, where he remained a short time and finally removed to Stockholm, Sweden. On the abdication of the throne of Sweden by Christina, and the accession of Charles X in 1654, he was appointed Refferendary, which responsible position he held until 1665, having served as Notary on the Board of Domains under the Queen. In 1665, he was appointed superintendent of the exchequer and archives. He was endowed by the king with two valuable country seats, called Wbye and Nybbla. He owned property in Stockholm, besides nine taxable farms in Westergotland. The most of the family consisting of his brothers and sisters either went with, or soon followed him to Sweden, and settled in Stockholm, where some of their descendants still remain. Many of them have been prominent in the professions, holding high positions in society, and have always been noted as honorable upright men and women.
105. Christopher Springer (304), was married three times; first in 1645, to Alma Dorothea Jacobie, at Wismar, where he settled. His wife died in about two years leaving:
[106] 316. Lorentz, b. at Wismar, 1646, m. twice, d. at Tiverton, Rhode Island.
After the death of his wife, Christopher removed to Berlin, where his duties called him and where in 1649, he was m. to Henrietta Stucenrauch. She was the mother of:
317. Christina, b. at Berlin, 1650, m., d. in Riga, now in Russia.
Henrietta soon afterward d. and Christopher removed to Stockholm, Sweden, where in 1654, he was m. to Lady Beatea Jacobine Hendrickson, who became Lady companion to the Queen of Charles X, Hedwlg Elenora, dau. of Frederick III, Duke of Holstein Gottorp. Their children were:
318. Elizabeth, b. 1655, d. in Stockholm.
[107] 319. Carl, b. 1658, d. in Wilmington Delaware.
320. Christopher, b. 1661, d. in Germany.
321. Baltzer, b. 1664, d. in Sweden.
[108] 322. Jacob, b. 1668, d. on Long Island, N.Y., or East New Jersey, in 1731
Christopher Springer died at Stockholm, in 1669, at the age of 77 years. His young wife servived him many years.
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The following is the action of the guardians, (or orphans) court upon the last Will and Testament of Christopher Springer, copied from the records at Upsala, Sweden.
"A.D. 1669, June 9th, Peter Carlingh, and Gustav Mathson, Aldermen, and John Neilson, Notary Public, were appointed by the Orphan's Court to make an inventory, tax and divide the estate of the late Christopher Springer, Inspector in the Royal Exchequer College, between the widow, pious and virtuous matron, Lady Beatea, and the children of the late husband by the first bed; the book-keeper, Laurentius (Lorentz) Springer; by the second bed, Christina Springer, the wife of John Jacobson, now living in Riga; and of the third bed, five children, with the above mentioned wife, Miss EHzabeth Springer, about fourteen years, Carl Springer, about eleven years, Christopher Springer, eight years, Baltzer Springer, five years, and Jacob Springer, one year old.
The widow and the Crown were represented by the Alderman Zacharias Watraugh, Notary in the Supreme Court, Mr. Lars Morlingh, and her brother, Mr. Baltzer Hendrickson ; the book-keeper, John Jacobson (Christina's husband) was represented by his father, the organist Jacob Olfson.
- A.D. 1669 June 9th The same day the writings which the late Inspector Christopher Springer had left behind as a testamentary disposition for the surviving family were read.
First. -- A division which he had made between himself and his children concerning the maternal inheritance of the first two marriages, which division, the son, Lorentz Springer approved without any objection, and it was laid
Second. -- The disposition of the last will of the late husband, which he Avished after his death undisputably to be kept. In the first place, relating to the house and the garden at Munkclagret, which the late husband had promised the widow to inhabit and possess, free of rent, as long as she remained single, about this it was agreed that the widow should keep it on the share of her children (i.e. Elizabeth, Carl, Christopher, Baltzer and Jacob), and herself, yet without depriving the son (Lorentz), and his half sister (Christina) of any of their rights, especially as they were not willing to consent thereto.
The second clause was concerning the country property which was bequeathed to the widow to possess and use during her life-time, as support of herself and her children, the rent which yearly accrues from the two farms in Upland, Whye and Nybbla, and the properties in Westergotland, should be appraised; to this the son (Lorentz), answered, that he reserved for himself and his half-sister their share in this as well as in the house and garden by Munkelagret, to which the widow also assented in order to preserve peace and unity.
The third and fourth clause concerning the gold chain and bracelets of the widow, which had been given her by the late husband, and a gold chain to the oldest daughter of the same flock, Virgin Elizabeth Springer, was approved by the son without objection, also that the older sister, now residing m the house, should get a dowry as well as his sister. In the above mentioned manner, they agreed in friendship upon all these points. Thus it has been found agreed, testify the undersigned. Orphan's Court,
No. die at superius.
P. CARLINGH Witness, WATRAUGH. GUSTAV MATHSON
This concludes the ancestry of Lorenz, Carl and Jacob Springer. Their history and the names of their descendants will be given in the next part of this work. The consecutive family and individual numbers will be continued.
(Ändrat av kontoinnehavaren den 07 juni 2026 kl. 17.42.)
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Av Christian Andersson - Tisdag den 23 juni 2026 kl. 23.02
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PROBAND Bengt* Hugo Karlsson 1933-2019 PROBAND Nancy* Ingegerd Månsson född 1940
F Hugo Valdemar Karlsson 1903-1979 F Mante Oskar Månsson 1914-2003
FF Johan Emanuel Karlsson 1882-1972 FF Karl Albert Månsson 1883-1975
FFF Karl Emanuel Karlsson 1852-1915 FFF Måns Peter Johansson 1855-1948
FFFF Karl Emanuel Petersson 1820-1885 FFFM Maria Larsdotter 1823-1889
FFFFF Peter Emanuel Springer 1789-1847 FFFMM Ingelöf Charlotta Springer 1785-1846
FFFFF F Karl Emanuel Springer 1754-1810 FFFMM F
FFFFF FF Karl Julius Springer 1712-1768 FFFMM FF
FFFFF FFF Kristoffer Springer (III) - FFFMM FFF
FFFFF FFFF Lorenz Springer -1690 FFFMM FFFF
FFFFF FFFFF Kristoffer Springer (I) -1669 FFFMM FFFFF
PROBAND Kristoffer Springer (I) -1669
GIFT 1 Karin Larsdotter -1645
SON Lorenz Springer -1690
SON Börje Springer -
DOTTER Annika Springer -
DOTTER Brita Springer -
DOTTER Helena Springer -
DOTTER Maria Springer -
GIFT 2 NN
DOTTER Kristina Springer -
DOTTER NN -
GIFT 3 Beata Baltzarsdotter Salina -1693
DOTTER Elisabet Springer ~1656-
SON Karl [Charles] Springer ~1658-1738
SON Kristoffer Springer (II) ~1661-
SON Baltzar Springer ~1664-1710
SON Jakob Springer ~1668-
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Av Christian Andersson - Tisdag den 23 juni 2026 kl. 23.12
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Avslöjar man blufforskare kallar Anbytarvärden det personangrepp. Jag kallar det en välgärning.
Det här inlägget försvann fortare än kvickt:
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Av Christian Andersson - Onsdag den 24 juni 2026 kl. 18.17
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En ny avstängning. Osäkert om det avser livstid även denna gång?
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Av Håkan Andersson - Onsdag den 24 juni 2026 kl. 22.12
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Har själv inte blivit avstängd på Anbytarforum ännu. Å andra sidan skriver jag knappast där
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Av Christian Andersson - Fredag den 26 juni 2026 kl. 19.16
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En nu levande släktforskare:
PROBAND Erik Christian* Andersson född 1948 PROBAND Kurt* Nils Lennart Axelsson 1941-1982
F Per Erik* Andersson 1918-2003 M Ester* Linnéa Sofia Andersson 1906-1982
FM Hanna* Fredrika Karlsson 1886-1942 MM Klara* Viktoria Petersdotter 1882-1967
FMF Karl Emanuel Karlsson 1852-1915 MMM Kristina* Maria Johansdotter 1850-1937
FMFF Karl Emanuel Petersson 1820-1885 MMMM Maria Larsdotter 1823-1889
FMFFF Peter Emanuel Springer 1789-1847 MMMMM Ingelöf Charlotta Springer 1785-1846
FMFFF F Karl Emanuel Springer 1754-1810 MMMMM F
FMFFF FF Karl Julius Springer 1712-1768 MMMMM FF
FMFFF FFF Kristoffer Springer (III) - MMMMM FFF
FMFFF FFFF Lorenz Springer -1690 MMMMM FFFF
FMFFF FFFFF Kristoffer Springer (I) -1669 MMMMM FFFFF
PROBAND Kristoffer Springer (I) -1669
GIFT 1 Karin Larsdotter -1645
SON Lorenz Springer -1690
SON Börje Springer -
DOTTER Annika Springer -
DOTTER Brita Springer -
DOTTER Helena Springer -
DOTTER Maria Springer -
GIFT 2 NN
DOTTER Kristina Springer -
DOTTER NN -
GIFT 3 Beata Baltzarsdotter Salina -1693
DOTTER Elisabet Springer ~1656-
SON Karl [Charles] Springer ~1658-1738
SON Kristoffer Springer (II) ~1661-
SON Baltzar Springer ~1664-1710
SON Jakob Springer ~1668-
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Av Christian Andersson - Lördag den 27 juni 2026 kl. 18.59
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Så här skriver Mikael Sandström i ett svar på Anbytarforum. Han svarar på ett inlägg från mig innan detta inlägg blev censurerat.
"Christian: En del av uppgifterna i Släktband kommer från det brev som Carl Springer skrev hem till sin mor 1692. Andra delar kommer från brev som skrevs från svenskarna längs Delaware-floden till Sverige och den folkräkning som de genomförde. Jag tror i huvudsak de hamnar rätt där. Däremot verkar det ju inte troligt att Nancy Svensson är ättling till Carl Springer. De verkar väl mer troligt att hon är ättling till någon av hans bröder, som ju bodde kvar i Sverige. Och, som sagt, Carls far var inte baron, vilket ju är lätt att kolla genom en enkel slagning i Elgenstierna eller för den delen en googling."
Jag svarade på just det här i Anbytarforum. Men mitt svar blev censurerat och jag blev bannlyst. Och nu kan jag varken svara eller försvara det jag skrev i det forumet.
I svaret här ovan tar Mikael Sandström inte upp osanningarna som Nancy Svensson framför i programmet. Han tar i stället upp helt annat än det jag har ifrågasatt. Uppgifterna han beskriver är sanna. De finns att läsa i tryckt litteratur. Skrivna av seriösa forskare och med trovärdiga källor. Det är inget som Nancy Svensson har forskat fram.
Observera att detta är enda gången som Nancy Svensson nämns i diskussionen i Anbytarforum. Efter det att mina inlägg har censurerats och raderats.
Vem Mikael Sandström rekommenderar att göra "en enkel slagning i Elgenstierna" verkar oklart. Är det något Nancy Svensson borde ha gjort. Eller programmakarna på Sveriges Radio. Varför skulle de stå i Elgenstierna att Carls far inte var baron?
Ska man söka information om svenska adliga ätter rekommenderar jag riddarhusets databas MINERVA framför Elgenstiernas ättartavlor. Information om riddarhusets nya databas finns att läsa på Nättidningen Rötter (när sidan fungerar).
MINERVA: https://minerva.riddarhuset.se/
Gustaf Elgenstierna: Den introducerade svenska adelns ättartavlor: https://runeberg.org/elgenst/
Adelsvapens genealogi Wiki: https://www.adelsvapen.com/wiki/
"Och, som sagt, Carls far var inte baron, vilket ju är lätt att kolla genom en enkel slagning i Elgenstierna eller för den delen en googling."
Google är sökmotor inte en källa. En hänvisning till google är inte en källhänvisning. Att googla på Christopher Springer är vanskligt om man söker fakta. Det är kanske bättre att fråga AI?
(Ändrat av kontoinnehavaren den 27 juni 2026 kl. 19.50.)
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Av Christian Andersson - Tisdag den 30 juni 2026 kl. 23.59
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Jag ställde en enkel fråga:
Is Charles Christopher Springers connection to Sweden verified in The Springer DNA Project?
ChatGPT svarade:
Based on the available evidence, yes—with an important distinction.
The Springer DNA Project has verified the paternal genetic line connecting documented male descendants of Charles (Carl Christopher) Springer in Delaware with documented male-line descendants of his father, Christopher Springer, in Sweden. It has not "proved Swedish ancestry" in a broad sense through DNA alone; rather, it confirmed that the documented paternal line is genetically consistent.
Specifically:
The Springer DNA Project tested documented male-line descendants of Charles Springer and compared them with documented Swedish male-line descendants of Christopher Springer.
According to the project administrators, these Y-DNA results match, supporting the traditional documentary genealogy that Charles was the son of Christopher Springer of Stockholm.
The project was also used to disprove many false Springer pedigrees that arose from the famous "Springer Estate" or "Springer Hoax." Several American Springer families that had claimed descent from Charles were shown by Y-DNA to belong to entirely different paternal lines.
An especially interesting piece of evidence comes from Swedish genealogist Christian Andersson, who wrote that the project requested DNA from a Swedish male-line descendant specifically to verify the connection across the Atlantic. He reported that the test result was satisfactory and supported the relationship between the Swedish and Delaware lines.
So the current evidence can be summarized as follows:
Documentary evidence: Charles Springer was born in Stockholm in 1658 and was the son of Christopher Springer, a Swedish government official. This has been supported by Swedish archival research.
Y-DNA evidence: The paternal lines of Swedish and American documented descendants are consistent with one another.
What DNA cannot prove by itself: DNA alone cannot identify a specific 17th-century ancestor. The conclusion comes from combining archival genealogy with matching Y-DNA from independently documented male-line descendants.
So if your question is:
"Has Charles Christopher Springer's connection to Sweden been verified in the Springer DNA Project?"
the most accurate answer is:
Yes. The project's Y-DNA results support the documented paternal connection between Charles Springer of Delaware and the Springer family in Sweden, while also disproving many unrelated Springer lines that had been attached to him through the Springer Estate hoax.
If you're interested, I can also explain exactly which Y-DNA haplogroup the Christopher Springer line belongs to and what the Big Y testing revealed about its likely Central European versus Swedish origins.
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Av Christian Andersson - Lördag den 04 juli 2026 kl. 16.24
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The SPRINGER Y DNA Project: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/springerdnamarkers/about
SPRINGER FamilyTreeDNA Project Website - Y-DNA Results Overview: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/springerdnamarkers
Christopher R1b-FGC51507 (Z30> Z27>Z345>FT9791>BY3319>BY11425>FGC51513>FGC51507) (464x=cccc:15-15-18-18, DYS640=9) (Z2-)
| | | Kit Number | Paternal Ancestor Name | Country | Haplogroup | Test | | | | 46204 | Lars Springer (son of Christopher), d.1690, Sweden | Sweden | R-BY3319 | DeepSNP-R1b | | 44267 | Christoph Louis I Count Springer | Germany | R-BY3319 | BY3319 | | 648360 | SPRINGER, Christopher , 1696, New Castle Co., DE | Sweden | R-M269 | Y-DNA37 | | 80752 | Christopher Springer d. 1669 Klara Kirk, Stockholm | Sweden | R-FGC51507 | Big Y-700 | | 59085 | SPRINGER, Christopher , 1696, New Castle Co., DE | Sweden | R-BY3319 | BY3319 | | B12834 | Isaac Springer b. 1811 and d. 1870 | United States | R-FTD39861 | Big Y-500 | | 139657 | George Somers, b. 15 Jan 1839 and d. 08 Jan 1912 | Germany | R-BY140794 | Big Y-500 | | MI32388 | Mr. Richard NORBERG, b. 1933 and d. 2004 | Unknown Origin | R-Z30 | Family Finder | | 77378 | SPRINGER, Charles b.1658 Stockholm Sweden d. 1738 | Sweden | R-FT8270 | Big Y-700 | | 265612 | Jacob Robinson, b. 1773 VA, d. 1840 TN FGC51507+ | Unknown Origin | R-Z30 | Family Finder | |
Allra överst på listan finns Bengt Carlssons test (Kit 46204). Hans 'svenska' bidrag till The Springer DNA Project tillsammans med de 'amerikanska' bidragen är det ultimata beviset på att Springer-ättlingarna i Blekinge har gemensamma anor med Springer-ättlingarna som utgår från den forna svenskkolonin i Delaware borta i Norra Amerika. Hur släktlinjerna ser ut och går ihop framgår aldrig av dna-analyser. Där krävs traditionell och väldokumenterad släktforskning. I det här fallet forskning över minst 10 generationer på båda sidor Atlanten.
PROBAND Bengt* Hugo Karlsson 1933-2019 PROBAND Nancy* Ingegerd Månsson född 1940
F Hugo* Valdemar Karlsson 1903-1979 F Mante* Oskar Månsson 1914-2003
FF Johan* Emanuel Karlsson 1882-1972 FF Karl Albert Månsson 1883-1975
FFF Karl Emanuel Karlsson 1852-1915 FFF Måns Peter Johansson 1855-1948
FFFF Karl Emanuel Petersson 1820-1885 FFFM Maria Larsdotter 1823-1889
FFFFF Peter Emanuel Springer 1789-1847 FFFMM Ingelöf Charlotta Springer 1785-1846
FFFFF F Karl Emanuel Springer 1754-1810 FFFMM F
FFFFF FF Karl Julius Springer 1712-1768 FFFMM FF
FFFFF FFF Kristoffer Springer [III] - FFFMM FFF
FFFFF FFFF Lorenz Springer -1690 FFFMM FFFF
FFFFF FFFFF Kristoffer Springer [I] -1669 FFFMM FFFFF
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PROBAND Kristoffer Springer [I] -1669
GIFT 1 Karin Larsdotter -1645
SON Lorenz Springer -1690
SON Börje Springer -
DOTTER Annika Springer -
DOTTER Brita Springer -
DOTTER Helena Springer -
DOTTER Maria Springer -
GIFT 2 NN
DOTTER Kristina Springer -
DOTTER NN Springer -
GIFT 3 Beata Baltzarsdotter Salina -1693
DOTTER Elisabet Springer ~1656-
SON Karl [Charles] Springer ~1658-1738
SON Kristoffer Springer [II] ~1661-
SON Baltzar Springer ~1664-1710
SON Jakob Springer ~1668-
2026-07-04 © Christian Andersson
OBS För att kunna visa på släktskap mellan två personer med hjälp dna-test måste man göra mer än ett dna-test. Åtminstone varsitt på minst två olika personer. Man måste alltid ha åtminstone två ben att stå på. Sedan krävs det gammal hederlig forskning i källorna för att kunna visa hur hur släktskapet ser ut.
Tack vare att jag lyckades övertala min syssling Bengt att göra det där dna-testet och detta tillsammans med min egen forskning gör att jag kan bevisa att Nancy Svensson f. Månsson far med osanning på flera vitala punkter när hon framträder i avsnittet Vägarna korsades för bortrövade Karl och kolonisatören Rambo i programserien Släktband på Sveriges Radio. Inte bara visa utan faktiskt bevisa.
(Ändrat av kontoinnehavaren den 04 juli 2026 kl. 17.16.)
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